Jeg spillede denne hånd på plex. Efterfølgende var denne chat, hvem giver i ret? bør QQ folde på floppet?
Game #3937531903: Hold'em FL ($1/$2) - 2007/05/01 - 15:46:12 (GMT)
Table "Jig" Seat 1 is the button.
Seat 1: Rissomiso ($47.50 in chips)
Seat 2: Yiihaaaa sits out
Seat 3: Nunomelo ($74 in chips)
Seat 4: altec ($37.50 in chips)
Seat 5: Flying_d ($21.50 in chips)
Seat 6: Perplex ($26.75 in chips)
Seat 7: Deemark2 ($50.75 in chips)
Seat 8: Logen1 ($77.50 in chips)
Seat 9: Zappa333 ($9 in chips)
Seat 10: kaspert ($77.75 in chips)
Nunomelo: posts small blind $0.50
altec: posts big blind $1
----- HOLE CARDS -----
dealt to kaspert [5c Td]
Flying_d: folds
Perplex: raises $2
Deemark2: folds
Logen1: folds
Zappa333: raises $3
kaspert: folds
Rissomiso: folds
Nunomelo: folds
altec: folds
Perplex: calls $1
----- FLOP ----- [2h 9s Jh]
Perplex: bets $1
Zappa333: raises $2
Perplex: raises $2
Zappa333: raises $2
Perplex: raises $2
Zappa333: raises $2 and is all-in
Perplex: calls $1
----- TURN ----- [2h 9s Jh][Kd]
Yiihaaaa sits back
----- RIVER ----- [2h 9s Jh Kd][Qc]
----- SHOW DOWN -----
Zappa333: shows [9d 9c] (Three of a kind, Nines, King high)
Perplex: shows [Qd Qh] (Three of a kind, Queens, King high)
Perplex collected $18.75 from Main pot
----- SUMMARY -----
Total pot $19.50 Main pot $18.75 Rake $0.75
Board [2h 9s Jh Kd Qc]
Seat 6: Perplex showed [Qd Qh] and won ($18.75) with Three of a kind, Queens, King high
Seat 9: Zappa333 showed [9d 9c] and lost with Three of a kind, Nines, King high
Chat bagefter:
Dealer: Game #3937531903, Perplex wins pot ($18.75) with Three of a kind, Queens, King high
Rissomiso: LOL
Perplex: once in a while QQ beats 99
Zappa333: thats my luck for today lol
Rissomiso: It was your re raising with QQ
Rissomiso: I was laughing at
Perplex: well you suggest check fold?
Perplex: he had $6 left
Rissomiso: sooooooooooooo obvious hed hit a set
Perplex: he had $6 left
Rissomiso: you were behind, it was obvious
Perplex: you use hindsight as a tool well
Rissomiso: ah come on....................
Perplex: he
Perplex: had
Perplex: $6
Perplex: left
Rissomiso: so?
Rissomiso: what does that do?
Perplex: ok how do you play the hand in my situation?
Perplex: you check fold?
Perplex: you tell mr
Rissomiso: lol
Perplex: tell me Riss a guy with a tiny stack and you have QQ and flop an overpair
Perplex: he has just enough to single bet the rest of the way and thats it
Perplex: you fold when exactly?
Rissomiso: you were behind, if you didnt konw that then youre stupid,, you kept throwingmoney at an obvious losing situation,
Rissomiso: then your river hit
Perplex: you know without the aid of knowing his hand in hindsight
Rissomiso: np, i wasnt in it
Perplex: ok
Perplex: so you check fold flop with an overpair?
Rissomiso: just thought it was very funny
Perplex: he
Perplex: had
Perplex: $6
Rissomiso: and?
Perplex: if he had $66 I check call
Rissomiso: what
Rissomiso: does
Rissomiso: that
Rissomiso: matter
Perplex: people with their last 5 bucks tend to play wilder
Perplex: ok then again tell me
Rissomiso: LOL
Perplex: how do you play my hand
Perplex: seriously
Perplex: tell me
Perplex: educate me
Rissomiso: F
Rissomiso: O
Rissomiso: L
Rissomiso: D
Perplex: I see
Rissomiso: np
Perplex: so on a ragged 3 undercard flop
Perplex: with QQ
Perplex: vs a guy with $4 left
Perplex: check fold to a single bet
Rissomiso: lol
Rissomiso: ok
Perplex: since clearly he has a set every time
Rissomiso: calm down
Rissomiso: but deep down, you knew you were behind
Perplex: hah Im laughing at this chat
Perplex: going to post it on twoplustwo
Rissomiso: ok
Rissomiso: my name is rissomiso
Perplex: deep down he could have anything with his last $4
Rissomiso: d.o.b 12.4.92
Perplex: your style works perfectly if you completely ignore peoples stack size
Rissomiso: birthplace - Disneyland.
Perplex: so<
QQ mod 99
Jeg synes perplex linie er lidt inkonsistent for hvis han vil gå hele vejen på floppet så skulle han da have cappet preflop - især OOP.
Jeg mener måske højest han skal acceptere to reraises, men det er sgu for weakt at folde når man hver har puttet 4sb ind på både flop og preflop(altså 8BB ialt). Enten er han bagud til et set eller også kan modstanderen have ramt med AJ, KJ(tvivlsom om han ville reraise floppet her) . Måske har modstanderen A ♥ K ♥ hvilket også er en særdeles stærk hånd eller TT.
Men det er afhængig af reads. Var det shorthanded ville jeg uden tvivl spille fuldt igennem med den shortstack medmindre han er urimelig passiv normalt.
På fullring ville jeg nok have været svag og callet ned alligevel så hvorfor ikke få grunkerne ind på floppet alligevel.
Lige en lille note: Lee Jones eller M. Hilger skriver om at man ikke skal forsøge at bluffe en lowstack. Her menes at mange lowstacks gerne vil smide deres sidste chips ind i en pulje fordi de føler sig committed. Derfor kan man herfra argumentere ja for måden den spilles på.
Ham Rissomiso er jo helt i skoven. MEGA LOL!
Efter zappa raiser floppet har han 2 BB's tilbage. Siden plex alligevel ikke folder og siden det koster ham 2 BB at se SD kan han ligeså godt gøre det på floppet.
På FL 1/2 mod en villain med 9 big blind bag sig, spiller man da QQ for stacks.
Medmindre man har et read der siger at villain kun reraiser AA/KK men sku svært at have respekt for en så short.
Rissomiso er jo tydeligvis bare dårlig - ingen grund til at spilde tid på hans argumenter, men jeg forstår ikke at Perplex indgår i en sådan diskussion med en komplet donk, hvor han uvægerligt afslører info om sin egen stil og muligvis skræmmer fisken væk. I øvrigt mener jeg det er uklogt at fortælle om at man bruger Pokertracker.
Jeg undlader i øvrigt det sidste re-raise på floppet - modstanderen folder alligevel aldrig på floppet efter sådan et forløb, men jeg har set folk efterfølgende folde til et bet på turn - ganske vist sjældent, men man kan lige så godt tage det med.
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hvorfor give ham en chance for at drawe os ud på turn. Han folder jo kun en ringere hånd alligevel.
Desuden har har jo minimum ligesåmange outs som os hvis vi er foran. Og vi har kun 2 outs og en bagdørsflush og en bagdørsstraight mulighed under alle omstændigheder.
Undskyld, jeg havde set forkert og mit indlæg giver vist ingen mening. I øvrigt er det vel ligemeget hvad vi gør 99/100 gange da vi uvægerligt ender all-in næsten uanset hvad.