Er jeg dum ?

Jeg har denne hånd jeg ikke rigtig forstår hånd ..453

EVis4nerds sidder ude og normalt spiller de ikke med hvis jeg forstår det rigtigt

jeg er short og venter på netop denne hånd pga hans bounty,men vi går til showdown

og han spiller med og vinder ?

3 eller 4 hænder senere det ..674 samme stadig sidder han ud men nu foldes der.

Jeg forstår ikke rigtig forskellen da han er all-in i begge hænder.

Jeg er Mr_Dudah

PokerStars Hand #187663923453: Tournament #2326447674, $4.80+$5.00+$1.20 USD Hold'em No Limit - Level XXXIII (3000/6000) - 2018/06/15 23:10:03 CET [2018/06/15 17:10:03 ET]
Table '2326447674 14' 9-max Seat #2 is the button
Seat 1: AVG3625 (116889 in chips, $30.45 bounty)
Seat 2: Skyvininski (78307 in chips, $76.39 bounty)
Seat 3: moaler (340154 in chips, $108.25 bounty)
Seat 4: RaLLL29 (208879 in chips, $21.87 bounty)
Seat 5: SteMaPe (80844 in chips, $7.50 bounty)
Seat 6: 13nemo (140052 in chips, $21.56 bounty)
Seat 7: EVis4nerds (715 in chips, $28.12 bounty) is sitting out
Seat 8: fishsif (189174 in chips, $30 bounty)
Seat 9: Mr_Dudah (42365 in chips, $10.62 bounty)
AVG3625: posts the ante 900
Skyvininski: posts the ante 900
moaler: posts the ante 900
RaLLL29: posts the ante 900
SteMaPe: posts the ante 900
13nemo: posts the ante 900
EVis4nerds: posts the ante 715 and is all-in
fishsif: posts the ante 900
Mr_Dudah: posts the ante 900
moaler: posts small blind 3000
RaLLL29: posts big blind 6000
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to Mr_Dudah [Qc 8s]
SteMaPe: folds
13nemo: folds
fishsif: folds
Mr_Dudah: raises 35465 to 41465 and is all-in
AVG3625: folds
Skyvininski is disconnected
Skyvininski is connected
Skyvininski: raises 35465 to 76930
moaler: folds
RaLLL29: folds
Uncalled bet (35465) returned to Skyvininski
*** FLOP *** [3c 6c 8d]
*** TURN *** [3c 6c 8d] [Ad]
*** RIVER *** [3c 6c 8d Ad] [7c]
*** SHOW DOWN ***
Mr_Dudah: shows [Qc 8s] (a pair of Eights)
Skyvininski: shows [Jh Kh] (high card Ace)
Mr_Dudah collected 93410 from side pot
EVis4nerds: shows [9d 5c] (a straight, Five to Nine)
EVis4nerds collected 6435 from main pot
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot 99845 Main pot 6435. Side pot 93410. | Rake 0
Board [3c 6c 8d Ad 7c]
Seat 1: AVG3625 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 2: Skyvininski (button) showed [Jh Kh] and lost with high card Ace
Seat 3: moaler (small blind) folded before Flop
Seat 4: RaLLL29 (big blind) folded before Flop
Seat 5: SteMaPe folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 6: 13nemo folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 7: EVis4nerds showed [9d 5c] and won (6435) with a straight, Five to Nine
Seat 8: fishsif folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 9: Mr_Dudah showed [Qc 8s] and won (93410) with a pair of Eights

PokerStars Hand #187664032320: Tournament #2326447674, $4.80+$5.00+$1.20 USD Hold'em No Limit - Level XXXIII (3000/6000) - 2018/06/15 17:12:27 ET
Table '2326447674 14' 9-max Seat #5 is the button
Seat 1: AVG3625 (131289 in chips, $30.45 bounty)
Seat 2: Skyvininski (34142 in chips, $76.39 bounty)
Seat 3: moaler (334454 in chips, $108.25 bounty)
Seat 4: RaLLL29 (214279 in chips, $21.87 bounty)
Seat 5: SteMaPe (69144 in chips, $7.50 bounty)
Seat 6: 13nemo (131352 in chips, $21.56 bounty)
Seat 7: EVis4nerds (4635 in chips, $28.12 bounty) is sitting out
Seat 8: fishsif (186474 in chips, $30 bounty)
Seat 9: Mr_Dudah (91610 in chips, $10.62 bounty)
AVG3625: posts the ante 900
Skyvininski: posts the ante 900
moaler: posts the ante 900
RaLLL29: posts the ante 900
SteMaPe: posts the ante 900
13nemo: posts the ante 900
EVis4nerds: posts the ante 900
fishsif: posts the ante 900
Mr_Dudah: posts the ante 900
13nemo: posts small blind 3000
EVis4nerds: posts big blind 3735 and is all-in
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to Mr_Dudah [5h 2h]
fishsif: folds
Mr_Dudah: folds
AVG3625: folds
Skyvininski: raises 29507 to 33242 and is all-in
moaler: folds
RaLLL29: raises 38758 to 72000
SteMaPe: folds
13nemo: raises 58452 to 130452 and is all-in
EVis4nerds: folds
RaLLL29: calls 58452
*** FLOP *** [7s 4d Jd]
*** TURN *** [7s 4d Jd] [8h]
*** RIVER *** [7s 4d Jd 8h] [Kd]
*** SHOW DOWN ***
13nemo: shows [As 4c] (a pair of Fours)
RaLLL29: shows [Qh Qd] (a pair of Queens)
RaLLL29 collected 194420 from side pot
Skyvininski: shows [Ts Td] (a pair of Tens)
RaLLL29 collected 111561 from main pot
RaLLL29 wins $38.20 for eliminating Skyvininski and their own bounty increases by $38.19 to $60.06
RaLLL29 wins $10.78 for eliminating 13nemo and their own bounty increases by $10.78 to $70.84
RaLLL29 wins $14.06 for eliminating EVis4nerds and their own bounty increases by $14.06 to $84.90
13nemo finished the tournament in 119th place and received $34.00.
Skyvininski finished the tournament in 120th place and received $34.00.
EVis4nerds finished the tournament in 121st place and received $34.00.
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot 305981 Main pot 111561. Side pot 194420. | Rake 0
Board [7s 4d Jd 8h Kd]
Seat 1: AVG3625 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 2: Skyvininski showed [Ts Td] and lost with a pair of Tens
Seat 3: moaler folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 4: RaLLL29 showed [Qh Qd] and won (305981) with a pair of Queens
Seat 5: SteMaPe (button) folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 6: 13nemo (small blind) showed [As 4c] and lost with a pair of Fours
Seat 7: EVis4nerds (big blind) folded before Flop
Seat 8: fishsif folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 9: Mr_Dudah folded before Flop (didn't bet)

Kan være han har haft trykket sit in i næste hånd, da du er all in med ham, men mistet forbindelse igen da han er all in i sidste hånd

I den først hånd er Elvis allin grundet ante er større end Elvis stack

I den anden hånd er Elvis allin grunder blind + ante er større end Elvis stack

Før begge hænder gælder at Elvis er allin og derved altid får kort og er med til river som en spiller (der derved kan vinde hånden)

DanishWiking skrev:I den først hånd er Elvis allin grundet ante er større end Elvis stack
I den anden hånd er Elvis allin grunder blind + ante er større end Elvis stack

Før begge hænder gælder at Elvis er allin og derved altid får kort og er med til river som en spiller (der derved kan vinde hånden)

Men hvorfor står han så til at have foldet preflop?

DanishWiking skrev:I den først hånd er Elvis allin grundet ante er større end Elvis stack
I den anden hånd er Elvis allin grunder blind + ante er større end Elvis stack

Før begge hænder gælder at Elvis er allin og derved altid får kort og er med til river som en spiller (der derved kan vinde hånden)

Problemet er jo netop, at han ikke har muligheden for at vinde 2. hånd, da han folder preflop.

DarkXoiX skrev: Problemet er jo netop, at han ikke har muligheden for at vinde 2. hånd, da han folder preflop.

Hvordan folder han, da han er AI? Jeg tror aldrig jeg har haft mulighed for ekstra action efter et AI, forstår heller ikke

kentkay skrev:
Hvordan folder han, da han er AI? Jeg tror aldrig jeg har haft mulighed for ekstra action efter et AI, forstår heller ikke

3nemo: raises 58452 to 130452 and is all-in
EVis4nerds: folds
RaLLL29: calls 58452

Det er mærkeligt, at Stars i den ene hånd lader ham deltage ved showdown når han er allin i sin blind, men ikke får lov at komme til showdown, når han er allin grundet sin ante.

Edit: Omvendt, naturligvis.

DarkXoiX skrev:
3nemo: raises 58452 to 130452 and is all-in
EVis4nerds: folds
RaLLL29: calls 58452

Det er mærkeligt, at Stars i den ene hånd lader ham deltage ved showdown når han er allin i sin blind, men ikke får lov at komme til showdown, når han er allin grundet sin ante.

Omvendt?

Det jeg synes er det mest irriterende er at PokerStars ikke svare på det samme spørgsmål

jeg har sendt to mails men ingen svar.

Mr Dingo skrev:Det jeg synes er det mest irriterende er at PokerStars ikke svare på det samme spørgsmål
jeg har sendt to mails men ingen svar.

Hvis du ikke har gjort det, så skriv til engelsk support. Dansk support har altid lange svartider.

Så fik jeg svar fra stars, men jeg forstår det stadig ikke.

Jeg går da all-in det må da være aggresivt nok.

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Du får vel stadigvæk hans bounty, så er der vel ikke noget problem?

Nej ingen bounty hand vandt.

Så forskellen ligger i at fordi der i første hånd ikke var nogen "agressive" action før det blev EVisfornerds' tur, så døde hånden ikke i første hånd. I anden hånd var der nogen der raisede før det blev hans tur i Big Blinden, og derfor mucker serveren hans hånd.

Er vel den eneste forskel på de to hænder? Giver nada mening dog.

Jo det gør det vel, men har ikke været opmærksom på sådan en detalje

men det er man så nu.

Tak Franneren

Mr Dingo skrev:Nej ingen bounty hand vandt.

hvem fuck vandt så bountyen, PokerStars?

Da EVisfornerds vinder hånd 1, så er der selvfølgelig ikke nogen der får hans bounty. I hånd 2 slår RaLLL29 ham ud og vinder derfor hans bounty der.

havde ikke set Dudah var Hero.. lamt nok Evisnerds han ikke bare er med i hånden-- kan lige forestille mig og komme tilbage fra et afk og så have muched en 6way double up hvor man var all in med næsten en hel BB - wut